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Cave of Mirrors: The 234th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss the assassination attempt on Trump’s life, and the security and media landscape in which this happened. Are we all in a modern Plato’s Cave that has become a hall of mirrors, such that we can be sitting right next to someone, seeing a totally different reality? How can we evaluate different interpretations—is “lone gun nut” an inherently better or less biased hypothesis than conspiracy? Or are our use of aphorisms—like Hanlon’s Razor, “First, do no harm,” and “correlation doesn’t imply causation”—overused, and applied in places where they should not be? Finally: a poem.


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Mentioned in this episode:

Lone Assassins, by Michael Shermer (July 15, 2024): https://michaelshermer.substack.com/p/lone-assassins

Joy Reid on MSNBC (July 15, 2024): https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1813003341640704499

Patriotism and Poetry, by Heather (July 16, 2024): https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/patriotism-and-poetry

The Iceberg Theory, by Gerald Locklin (2002): https://writersalmanac.publicradio.org/index.php%3Fdate=2002%252F08%252F15.html

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Is Bret allergic to European wheat? Part II

Will European wheat have an effect on Bret Weinstein? This is Part II of his European experiment, the results.

Watch Part I: https://rumble.com/v6pns8o-is-bret-allergic-to-european-wheat.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

Dr. Bret Weinstein is running an experiment on himself. After a decade of avoiding wheat he has tried eating it while in Spain. In this update video he explains how he has been feeling and answers common questions around glyphosate and dry fasting.

Watch more on the topic of glyphosate and dry fasting from Bret and Heather:

It’s not Complicated: The 230th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying https://rumble.com/v52it2i-the-230th-evolutionary-lens-with-bret-weinstein-and-heather-heying.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

Think Fast: The 252nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying https://rumble.com/v5rcks8-the-252nd-evolutionary-lens-with-bret-weinstein-and-heather-heying.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp

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Is Bret allergic to European wheat?

No live stream today, instead Bret is running an experiment from Spain.

Do you have a wheat allergy? Have you been able to eat wheat in Europe without the symptoms you experience in America? After a decade without intentionally eating wheat, Bret Weinstein is running an experiment while visiting Spain - will the European wheat cause the same symptoms he experiences when stateside?

Watch more on the topic of allergies and vaccines from Bret and Heather:

Mr. Jones and Me: Nathan Jones on DarkHorse
https://youtu.be/anC_au3HhdA?si=rNhk6_SUzF0lsgI1&t=1781

Bret and Heather 180th DarkHorse Podcast Livestream: Allergies, Adjuvants, & Affirmative Action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Ra_qW470w?si=G9BTq7Nv3WusHR2-&t=1968

Joe Rogan Experience #2198 - Bret Weinstein https://youtu.be/iOQdjgdRcfA?si=d-hVtgZ54MZ96Jdn&t=5664

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Russelling with God | Russell Brand on DarkHorse

Bret talks to Russell Brand in the wake of his Baptism.

Find Russell on X: @rustyrockets (https://x.com/rustyrockets)
Find Russell on Rumble: https://rumble.com/russellbrand


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Question for next Q&A: you two have recently expressed interest in the diaster cycles such as the younger dryas. How much weight do you give the idea that these diaster cycles may be the missing data we need for evolution? How possible is it for evolution to make adaptations for something that takes 12 thousand years or more? After all, it keeps happening and the price for being unprepared is extinction. Hard to test until the poles fully flip as Ben describes.

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Breaking Out of the Silo

Bret often talks about the Cartesian crisis, and I’m not sure I interpret it exactly the same way he does. To me, it means refactoring your thoughts (I’m a software developer, so I think in those terms). It’s stressful because it requires revisiting old beliefs, memories, and assumptions, and checking them against biases you didn’t realize you had. For example, I had to completely rethink how I viewed people like Sam Harris and Noam Chomsky.

I’m not someone who normally watches TV, but there is a multi season show called Silo that struck me as the perfect metaphor for the Cartesian crisis. It’s about people living in a massive underground bunker after a post-apocalyptic event, all raised on a tightly controlled, false story about history and the world in general. The story goes, a few characters start to realize that (surprise) that what they were told about history and the world itself is mostly wrong.

When it comes to the Charlie Kirk shooting, I don’t ...

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